BMW N55 Upgraded CP Summary – BMW’s N55 engine unfortunately comes from the factory with a plastic charge pipe prone to cracking and popping off. It’s not an uncommon failure even at stock boost levels. However, the risk of CP failure increases with boost.
Upgrading your N55 CP is definitely worthwhile if your stock CP failed. It’s also a great upgrade to knock out as preventative maintenance. The N55 E & F chassis each use different CP’s, however the brand recommendations remain more or less the same. Both VRSF and BMS offer excellent charge pipe upgrades for very fair prices.
Although this N55 mod doesn’t increase horsepower it’s certainly a great upgrade to assist in pushing your N55 to the next level. Did your N55 chargepipe fail? What have your experiences been? Drop a comment and let us know Check out our guide on building a 400+whp N55
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Contents
- 0.1 What does a car charge pipe do?
- 0.2 What happens if charge pipe breaks?
- 0.3 Do charge pipes add horsepower?
- 0.4 Can you drive a car with a blown charge pipe?
- 0.5 Does a charge pipe require a tune?
- 1 Can you drive with broken turbo pipe?
- 2 Do I need to upgrade charge pipe?
- 3 Does a charge pipe void warranty?
- 4 How much HP gain from straight pipe?
- 5 Do pipes make your car faster?
- 6 What does a charge pipe and boost pipe do?
- 7 What does a upgrade charge pipe do?
What does a car charge pipe do?
what does chargepipe do?
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| Second Lieutenant Drives: E60 M5 Join Date: May 2013 Location: seattle | what does chargepipe do? hi guys. what does a chargepipe do in a car??? please explain. |
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| Originally Posted by bjkim0426 hi guys. what does a chargepipe do in a car??? please explain. |
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| Originally Posted by bjkim0426 hi guys. what does a chargepipe do in a car??? please explain. |
It routes air from the turbo >> intercooler >> charge pipe >> engine. Basically carries the turbo’s / compressed air into the engine. Mike
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| Originally Posted by bjkim0426 okay then what does an aftermarket chargepipe do?? |
It is mainly used to resist breakage of the OEM chargepipe. The OEM chargepipe is plastic and if you search around you can see several people that have had theirs crack and break. With stock boost this can happen. If you’re modding you almost NEED to get a metal chargepipe so you aren’t always running into the dealer or else hanging dry when you’re out of a warranty. Also I see the description claims enhanced throttle response, I can’t speak to that, you’d have to ask around.
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| Originally Posted by bjkim0426 okay then what does an aftermarket chargepipe do?? |
It’s commonly upgraded as the stock one is prone to failure, typically once you add extra boost. The stock one is made of plastic and is very frail. It’s not usually a question of will your stock charge pipe will fail, it’s just when. Lot of guys wait till it breaks, which is not recommended. You end up spending extra waiting as most guys need overnight shipping to get their cars on the road.
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| Originally Posted by IndotagSwizz what’s an engine?.J/K |
LOL
what does chargepipe do?
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What happens if charge pipe breaks?
A common problem on turbocharged BMW models is the charge pipe on the intake side breaking. This will cause “drivetrain malfunction”, “service engine soon” or “check engine” warnings to be displayed. This fault is sometimes preceded by a large “pop!” noise, which is the pipe failing while under pressure.
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What are the charge pipes?
CUSTOMIZABLE INTERCOOLER PIPING – Depending on the model, some AEM charge pipes feature a precision-machined fitting that can accommodate the factory or other after-market diverters or blow-off valves. This allows you to choose the type of valve that will give you the specific boost performance, blow-off acoustics and under-the-hood style to fit your needs.
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Do charge pipes add horsepower?
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| Originally Posted by M4_MLT In reality ?? Will these 2 upgrades give you better performance? Or not worth the money ? |
Zero performance The reason for upgraded chargepipes is when you significantly raise boost, stock plastic pipes can fail. Upgraded are aluminum and can withstand more pressure. It’s a durability mod
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| Originally Posted by azn_fcuk Throttle response is also improved but nothing to write home about. |
Was bout to say, if anything. this _
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| Originally Posted by e90-4aj charge pipes will not give you better performance – you need to do DP’s as well |
Sorry. I meant intakes not charge pipes. Sorry _ 2015 BMW M4 Mineral White 2018 Audi RS3 ? on the way
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Originally Posted by M4_MLT Quote:
Sorry. I meant intakes not charge pipes. Sorry |
Intakes will give you the woooooosh sound, maybe an ever so slight bump in performance _
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| Originally Posted by tom @ eas No performance benefits other than being stronger than it’s plastic counterpart and recommended for those running tunes (higher boost). |
no performance gains, but definitely the throttle response is better with aftermarket CP.
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| Originally Posted by tom @ eas No its not. Please don’t spread false info. |
I installed CP’s a week before installing my meth kit wanting to get some of the battle done ahead of time. Theres nothing false about what im saying, and its no placebo either. The results arent huge, but when you go from a stock car and install CP’s not expecting any results like I did, the only noticeable difference is the throttle being more responsive, and nothing to write home about, but its there. perhaps it just wasnt obvious to you.
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| Originally Posted by azn_fcuk I installed CP’s a week before installing my meth kit wanting to get some of the battle done ahead of time. Theres nothing false about what im saying, and its no placebo either. The results arent huge, but when you go from a stock car and install CP’s not expecting any results like I did, the only noticeable difference is the throttle being more responsive, and nothing to write home about, but its there. perhaps it just wasnt obvious to you. |
It’s simply not possible. OEM charge pipes are not restrictive in any way, shape or form. Just failure-prone on higher (and in some cases stock) boost levels.
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| Originally Posted by azn_fcuk I installed CP’s a week before installing my meth kit wanting to get some of the battle done ahead of time. Theres nothing false about what im saying, and its no placebo either. The results arent huge, but when you go from a stock car and install CP’s not expecting any results like I did, the only noticeable difference is the throttle being more responsive, and nothing to write home about, but its there. perhaps it just wasnt obvious to you. |
Thats pretty much the definition of placebo. Report back with some before/after logs of the ‘improved throttle response’
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| Originally Posted by 135Hoser Thats pretty much the definition of placebo. Report back with some before/after logs of the ‘improved throttle response’ |
If a log could show that the cars throttle response to be more responsive I would. but it dosnt. I understand the purpose of the chargepipe and I would have agreed entirely, irregardless that the stock CP’s are more narrow and that there should be some tiny benefit of a less restrictive design. Im not saying there’s any significant performance gains worth mentioning, but after after I had swapped the stock for aftermarket CP’s did have a slightly more responsive throttle. I urge you to swap your aftermarket for the stock and report back if disproving that my claim is worth your time, I would if my stock CP’s wasn’t leaking.
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Originally Posted by azn_fcuk Quote:
If a log could show that the cars throttle response to be more responsive I would. but it dosnt. I understand the purpose of the chargepipe and I would have agreed entirely, irregardless that the stock CP’s are more narrow and that there should be some tiny benefit of a less restrictive design. Im not saying there’s any significant performance gains worth mentioning, but after after I had swapped the stock for aftermarket CP’s did have a slightly more responsive throttle. I urge you to swap your aftermarket for the stock and report back if disproving that my claim is worth your time, I would if my stock CP’s wasn’t leaking. |
Listen. to you and anyone else out there CHARGEPIPES IN NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM can, will, will ever, can ever, even with pixie dust dumped all over, inside and out EVER EVER EVER give you ANY performance gains. The stock plastic charge pipes have the possibility for cracking as a result of more boost with little ability to flex. It’s an insurance policy to ensure you don’t get stuck with a massive boost leak. By the way, for only $50 (and this is for today only) I’ll show you a Leprechaun riding the worlds smallest horse!!!!! Oh this is about to get good. _ Why put off for tomorrow, what can be done today?
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| Originally Posted by Agent – ///M Listen. to you and anyone else out there CHARGEPIPES IN NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM can, will, will ever, can ever, even with pixie dust dumped all over, inside and out EVER EVER EVER give you ANY performance gains. The stock plastic charge pipes have the possibility for cracking as a result of more boost with little ability to flex. It’s an insurance policy to ensure you don’t get stuck with a massive boost leak. By the way, for only $50 (and this is for today only) I’ll show you a Leprechaun riding the worlds smallest horse!!!!! Oh this is about to get good. |
i would bet everyone on the forums wants to see you riding the worlds smallest horse to try and prove your point.and then again its gets attn.
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| Originally Posted by kerm1t @ azn_fcuk there is absolutely 0 gains or changes in throttle with charge pipes. Did you install your meth kit same time as CP? |
Meth was installed a week later. I understand the mechanics of the CP and its purpose, after installing the CP’s without paying attention at first I noticed the car was slightly more responsive under load. Knowingly prior that CP’s have no benefit and I would have discounted my claim too, which is why I mentioned it wasn’t anything massive but was noticeable and worth my two cents mentioning, and in this case well leave it for all the pros out there to debate with my experience.
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| Originally Posted by ljzimm I like how all of this spawned from the OP’s incorrect wording and that he has failed to get more then a response or two on his actual question. Oh man, I love the internet. Intakes will add a very very minimal increase in power, some people notice it, some people don’t. It’s mostly for the happy noises and to be paired with tunes so that the engine can breath a little more freely and (if you go for a CAI) a little cooler. |
Intakes provide no power either. Any reported gains are contributed to higher flowing filters/removing charcoal liners, despite what other vendors are claiming. BMW extracted just about every bit of hp out of the box. Larger turbos & software are where the real power is.
Will the upgraded charge pipes give more performance
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Can you drive a car with a blown charge pipe?
Blown chargepipe.OK to drive for a few days with a busted CP?
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| Noob Drives: 2012 335i Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Pensacola, Florida | Blown chargepipe.OK to drive for a few days with a busted CP? Other than the obvious fact that power is way down and the intake air is unfiltered entering the engine, are there any other detrimental effects of driving the car for a few days until a new (VRSF or ER) CP arrives? |
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| Originally Posted by Just Ask Other than the obvious fact that power is way down and the intake air is unfiltered entering the engine, are there any other detrimental effects of driving the car for a few days until a new (VRSF or ER) CP arrives? |
You also have the possibility of more plastic or other debris entering the system and that will be really bad.
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| Originally Posted by wdeerfield rental cars are cheap these days. id prefer that over introducing more damage. |
Additional damage would NOT be covered under warranty.
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| Originally Posted by Just Ask Got a rental (woohoo, Nissan Versa FTW!!!) and then ordered a VRSF CP and “accidentally” ordered a VRSF FMIC at the same time. Car is idle in the garage until I install the new parts. With regards to Jeff at TGS, your comment “I know people think vendors are just trying to sell stuff but it really is something that everyone should just upgrade to avoid the hassle.” is absolutely on point. My wife asked me why I didn’t already have an upgraded CP if I already knew that the OE one was a ticking time bomb. “Cuz I’m dumb.” is all I have for that.lol. |
Nicely done.,_, My Build Thread can be found
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| Originally Posted by Just Ask Got a rental (woohoo, Nissan Versa FTW!!!) and then ordered a VRSF CP and “accidentally” ordered a VRSF FMIC at the same time |
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| Originally Posted by [email protected] |
Thanks to Mike for the stellar customer service!!!!!
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| Originally Posted by Just Ask Thanks to Mike for the stellar customer service!!!!! |
My pleasure
Blown chargepipe.OK to drive for a few days with a busted CP?
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Does a charge pipe require a tune?
This part is designed and tested to work safely on your vehicle without any tuning required! However, more power can be gained with proper ECU tuning! Confirm any tune or recalibration you add is specific for ALL modifications added to the vehicle.
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How long does it take to change a charge pipe?
Estimate time for VRSF Intercooler, Chargepipe, and a BoV install by Tune shop
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| Originally Posted by Jimmy Splash Recently got the JB4 and VRSF Down pipes installed i’ve been waiting for and very happy with the gains I’ve acquired from them. I know it’s early and probably won’t do this for a few months, but how long on average would you guys say it should take to install the above subject parts on a N55 11′ 335i with xdrive by an experienced tune shop? |
I’m sure others will chime in with the same thing.save yourself a few $$$ and handle the chargepipe and BOV yourself. It should not take much more than an hour if you’ve done the research and have the right tools. Plus it’s good to know what goes where and how to trouble shoot if something goes wrong down the line. Just my,02 If I remember correctly I paid for 2 hours of labor for my FMIC install. _ 2010 E90 LCI N54 335xi / AR DP’s / KW V1 / Stoptech Slotted Rotors / SS lines / EBC Yellowstuff / Fuel-it stage 2 LPFP / Fuel-it Bluetooth Content Analyzer / ETS FMIC / VRSF CP / TurboSmart Dual Port Kompact kit / MHD / WEDGE E60 ProTune / CORSA Exhaust / Alpina TCU / VTT Outlets / MMP Inlets
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| Originally Posted by JETmn No BOV on an N55. Charge pipe takes like 20 minutes, so do that yourself. Downpipe on an x-drive can be tricky, but 3 hours is a good starting point. |
he is adding a BOV with his charge pipe installation and removing the DVs.
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he is adding a BOV with his charge pipe installation and removing the DVs. |
And JB4 and DP’s are done already. _ 2010 E90 LCI N54 335xi / AR DP’s / KW V1 / Stoptech Slotted Rotors / SS lines / EBC Yellowstuff / Fuel-it stage 2 LPFP / Fuel-it Bluetooth Content Analyzer / ETS FMIC / VRSF CP / TurboSmart Dual Port Kompact kit / MHD / WEDGE E60 ProTune / CORSA Exhaust / Alpina TCU / VTT Outlets / MMP Inlets
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| Originally Posted by Mr. Tasty he is adding a BOV with his charge pipe installation and removing the DVs. |
Again, this is an N55 so you don’t add a BOV to it. E series N55 can’t run maf-less yet. You keep the stock DV which is located inside the turbo. My mistake it was the FMIC that wasn’t done. Agreed that is pretty easy to do yourself. _ 2011 335Xi 6AT – VRSF catless DP – VRSF 7″ FMIC with turbo inlet pipe – VRSF chargepipe – Pure Stage 1 turbo – JB4 – E30 – xHP Stage 3 – Strongflex tension bushings – Whiteline RSFB – UUC rear swaybar
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| Originally Posted by RobertRichy And JB4 and DP’s are done already. |
Correct, and I was about to say I’ve seen many N55s with BoVs with charge pipes haha. I just got the dps and tune done yesterday. Probably ordering/installing other parts around May probably. _ 11′ N55 335i xdrive – BMS Intake – VRSF Catback Exhaust – VRSF Catless Downpipes – JB4 Map 2 – Alpina TCU Flash
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| Originally Posted by JETmn Again, this is an N55 so you don’t add a BOV to it. E series N55 can’t run maf-less yet. You keep the stock DV which is located inside the turbo. My mistake it was the FMIC that wasn’t done. Agreed that is pretty easy to do yourself. |
How do you like your Pure Stage 1 Turbo? My tune shop is suggesting it after the FMIC/chargepipe step. How ugly was the labor fees for you? _ 11′ N55 335i xdrive – BMS Intake – VRSF Catback Exhaust – VRSF Catless Downpipes – JB4 Map 2 – Alpina TCU Flash
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| Originally Posted by Jimmy Splash How do you like your Pure Stage 1 Turbo? My tune shop is suggesting it after the FMIC/chargepipe step. How ugly was the labor fees for you? |
Skip the stage 1 and go right to the stage 2. It is a bitch to do, I did it myself. I bought the first batch of PS1 out so there was no PS2 at the time. I will be upgrading in the near future now that we have MHD available. I will add PI so I can run straight E85 too. _ 2011 335Xi 6AT – VRSF catless DP – VRSF 7″ FMIC with turbo inlet pipe – VRSF chargepipe – Pure Stage 1 turbo – JB4 – E30 – xHP Stage 3 – Strongflex tension bushings – Whiteline RSFB – UUC rear swaybar
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| Originally Posted by JETmn Skip the stage 1 and go right to the stage 2. It is a bitch to do, I did it myself. I bought the first batch of PS1 out so there was no PS2 at the time. I will be upgrading in the near future now that we have MHD available. I will add PI so I can run straight E85 too. |
Currently my 335i is my only vehicle at the moment and I need it to be reliable, but from what I hear Pure turbos are quite reliable as long as you have correct supporting components/mods. I’m in the process of finding new work soon because money isn’t the greatest right now, but probably will just wait till I’m pretty secure financially to do a turbo upgrade and go with the best instead of starting small then wanting more eventually. _ 11′ N55 335i xdrive – BMS Intake – VRSF Catback Exhaust – VRSF Catless Downpipes – JB4 Map 2 – Alpina TCU Flash
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| Originally Posted by Jimmy Splash Recently got the JB4 and VRSF Down pipes installed i’ve been waiting for and very happy with the gains I’ve acquired from them. I know it’s early and probably won’t do this for a few months, but how long on average would you guys say it should take to install the above subject parts on a N55 11′ 335i with xdrive by an experienced tune shop? |
I installed all of the above part my self at one of my friends shop. The FMIC took at 30min all together. Also, I had the 7′ FMIC and I had to trim out some stuff behind the bumper which in my opinion was a lot but no way around it. CP and BOV take less than hour, removing intake housing probably takes the longest. Pic of what I cut out attached. Attached Images _ 11′ 335i xDrive Sapphire BLK/Saddle Brown interior – VRSF FBO – PS2 – Fuel-it Stg.2 LPFP – PR COILS – Injen CAI
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| Originally Posted by JETmn No BOV on an N55. Charge pipe takes like 20 minutes, so do that yourself. Downpipe on an x-drive can be tricky, but 3 hours is a good starting point. |
DP are killer job on xdrive. I did my own and honestly it was a lot of work, I remember thinking to myself “why didn’t i buy RWD” lol _ 11′ 335i xDrive Sapphire BLK/Saddle Brown interior – VRSF FBO – PS2 – Fuel-it Stg.2 LPFP – PR COILS – Injen CAI
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| Originally Posted by JETmn Skip the stage 1 and go right to the stage 2. It is a bitch to do, I did it myself. I bought the first batch of PS1 out so there was no PS2 at the time. I will be upgrading in the near future now that we have MHD available. I will add PI so I can run straight E85 too. |
I’m going pure stage 2 this summer but how come you mentioned the MHD as part of the reason you want to upgrade? nad if you dont mind me asking what PI are you looking to get? _ 11′ 335i xDrive Sapphire BLK/Saddle Brown interior – VRSF FBO – PS2 – Fuel-it Stg.2 LPFP – PR COILS – Injen CAI
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| Originally Posted by 335MRod DP are killer job on xdrive. I did my own and honestly it was a lot of work, I remember thinking to myself “why didn’t i buy RWD” lol |
I live in western PA and we can have some bad winters that’s why I got and glad I have Xdrive.only time I regret it is when I had to pay the extra hours of labor when I got the VRSF cat back modification and the extra time it takes to install the DPs recently. Other than that I’m cool with it. Launches and pulls like an animal. Can’t wait till I have it around 400-450whp haha
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| Originally Posted by Jimmy Splash I live in western PA and we can have some bad winters that’s why I got and glad I have Xdrive.only time I regret it is when I had to pay the extra hours of labor when I got the VRSF cat back modification and the extra time it takes to install the DPs recently. Other than that I’m cool with it. Launches and pulls like an animal. Can’t wait till I have it around 400-450whp haha |
yeah, I honestly only regrets were when I installed the DP lol otherwise the car is a blast. _ 11′ 335i xDrive Sapphire BLK/Saddle Brown interior – VRSF FBO – PS2 – Fuel-it Stg.2 LPFP – PR COILS – Injen CAI
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| Originally Posted by 335MRod I’m going pure stage 2 this summer but how come you mentioned the MHD as part of the reason you want to upgrade? nad if you dont mind me asking what PI are you looking to get? |
MHD is going to dominate the tunes shortly. I have had the JB4 for several years, but it really is a pretty crude solution. It gets the job done fairly well, but it is just fudging sensor numbers and lying to the ECU. Before MHD it was the way to go, but now mhd and jb4 are pretty equal. MHD is still in its infancy though and will continue to pull away. Vanos and valvetronic have barely been played with. There are a couple of lower priced PI solutions that just came on the market, I will probably go with them and a stage 2 lpfp with ethanol sensor from fuel-it. I will limit torque to 500 and hp will probably be 520 or so. I don’t want to kill the auto or x-drive system too early 😛 _ 2011 335Xi 6AT – VRSF catless DP – VRSF 7″ FMIC with turbo inlet pipe – VRSF chargepipe – Pure Stage 1 turbo – JB4 – E30 – xHP Stage 3 – Strongflex tension bushings – Whiteline RSFB – UUC rear swaybar
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| Originally Posted by Jimmy Splash Recently got the JB4 and VRSF Down pipes installed i’ve been waiting for and very happy with the gains I’ve acquired from them. I know it’s early and probably won’t do this for a few months, but how long on average would you guys say it should take to install the above subject parts on a N55 11′ 335i with xdrive by an experienced tune shop? |
Charge pipe and intercooler can be done in 2.5 hours If shop is experience 2 hours
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| Originally Posted by Jimmy Splash Correct, and I was about to say I’ve seen many N55s with BoVs with charge pipes haha. I just got the dps and tune done yesterday. Probably ordering/installing other parts around May probably. |
You probably saw a N54 as the N55 has their Diverter valve on the turbo and the N54 charge pipe wouldnt even fit a N55 Lotta effort for ‘noise’ _ 2011 135i N55 Pure Stage 2 Turbo, Stage 2 LPFP, N54tuning.com Catless DP, Cobb Drop in, AEM Meth Kit, MHD, BMS OCC, Tuned by WedgePerformance PI, LSD, and Dif lockdown coming soon
Estimate time for VRSF Intercooler, Chargepipe, and a BoV install by Tune shop
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How do I know if my charge pipe is cracked?
Loss of power. Loss of responsiveness. CEL. Limp might be possible.
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Can you drive with broken turbo pipe?
Can you drive with blown turbo? – The longer you drive your car with a blown turbo, the more damage the engine will have and therefore the more costly it will be to repair. Although the car will move with a blown turbo, it would be far more preferable to stop driving it and have the car taken to the garage to have the turbo repaired or a replacement installed.
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Do charge pipes change sound?
Charge Pipe Induction Sound
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| Originally Posted by spdrcrgtr How do you check for boost leak other than a “smoke check” where they run some smoke thru the intake to see if it comes thru some crack/space |
You need to pressurize your intake post-Turbo(s) to do a proper boost leak test. A smoke test only catches things that are leaking with no pressure – and often the leak is during boost. I typically fabricate a hose and connect to the turbo inlets directly (you don’t want to pressurize the pre-turbo pipes themselves as those run under negative pressure, as they are connected to the turbo inlet not outlet). You need to make sure your throttle is closed (or disconnect at throttle and block the pipe) then pressurize with a compressor. I typically take it beyond max target boost to be sure, and you just listen for leaks and fix them. If you just leave the throttle pipe on and rely on the closed throttle butterfly you may get some leaks there, though should be minimal on a fly by wire car. Thanks! S.
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Charge Pipe Induction Sound
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Do I need to upgrade charge pipe?
Best B58 Upgraded Chargepipe – VRSF – While an upgraded B58 chargepipe isn’t really needed in most applications, you may want one for meth injection, piece of mind, or the small throttle response benefit. Our favorite chargepipe option for the B58 is the VRSF B58 chargepipe, Pin Price: $220 Link to buy: VRSF BMW B58 Chargepipe Upgrades
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Does a charge pipe void warranty?
Aftermarket charge pipe void warranty? THE LARGEST BMW 2-SERIES FORUM ON THE PLANET
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| Originally Posted by grocerylist I just got a cpo 2016 m235i. I’m reading about charge pipe failures, some even with no other mods. I’m wondering if BMW would void the 2 years of warranty that I have left if I install a charge pipe with no other mods? I tried searching for this but didn’t find anything. Thanks! |
Under Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, the warranty may be voided if BMW can establish a connection between the part and a failure. The use, per se, of an aftermarket part is not a sufficient basis. _ 2015 VO 228i 6MT/Track Handling,Tech,Cold,Premium,Lighting,Driver Assistance Pkgs/KCDesign Strut Brace/M2 LCAs/Rogue SSK/BBS SR Wheels/Michelin PS4S/ER Chargepipe/AA Intercooler/Dinan Shockware/MPerformance Spoiler/Black Kidney Grilles/Xpel Ultimate PPF & Prime XR+ Tint/Adam’s Ceramic/no CDV 2018 Alpine White 330GT Last edited by Sportstick; 07-11-2019 at 10:56 AM,
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| Originally Posted by nvmaddog As someone who has had two OEM charge pipes fail on the M235, I’d say BMW needs to look into going aftermarket themselves. |
Sorry to hear about that. Curious to know at what mileage for both instances did your CP fail, and is your M235 modded or tuned?
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| Originally Posted by learntocode Sorry to hear about that. Curious to know at what mileage for both instances did your CP fail, and is your M235 modded or tuned? |
Was stock from new until it sold, first time was at 11k, the second time was at 33 or 34k. The Florida heat definitely played into it, but these pipes seem to be weaker than most.
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| Originally Posted by nvmaddog As someone who has had two OEM charge pipes fail on the M235, I’d say BMW needs to look into going aftermarket themselves. |
My guess is they use the plastic design at the collar because it’s a more secure fit than metal. As we’ve seen, the metal charge pipes don’t break, but some have issues sealing correctly, especially at the throttle body. The plastic collar has some give to pop on. The metal pipes do not. The metal pipes rely solely on the rubber o-ring for the seal. BMW doesn’t design the charge pipes to handle additional boost or support people’s racing programs. The reality is charge pipes do and often fail, but most of the time it’s on 4+ y/o cars and/or cars running more boost than stock. I’m sure BMW figures 4 years+ life expectancy for a majority of these pipes is acceptable. _ The forest was shrinking, but the Trees kept voting for the Axe, for the Axe was clever and convinced the Trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
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| Originally Posted by grocerylist I just got a cpo 2016 m235i. I’m reading about charge pipe failures, some even with no other mods. I’m wondering if BMW would void the 2 years of warranty that I have left if I install a charge pipe with no other mods? I tried searching for this but didn’t find anything. Thanks! |
You likely be ok. The aftermarket charge pipes are very similar to the OEM design. They don’t add power or modify the intake system in any way. What BMW won’t warranty or fix are issues caused by the aftermarket charge pipes such as vacuum leaks, rubbing on under hood parts, etc. Running an aftermarket charge pipe does give them the opportunity to point the finger at the part when a driveability issue pops up. _ The forest was shrinking, but the Trees kept voting for the Axe, for the Axe was clever and convinced the Trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
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My guess is they use the plastic design at the collar because it’s a more secure fit than metal. As we’ve seen, the metal charge pipes don’t break, but some have issues sealing correctly, especially at the throttle body. The plastic collar has some give to pop on. The metal pipes do not. The metal pipes rely solely on the rubber o-ring for the seal. BMW doesn’t design the charge pipes to handle additional boost or support people’s racing programs. The reality is charge pipes do and often fail, but most of the time it’s on 4+ y/o cars and/or cars running more boost than stock. I’m sure BMW figures 4 years+ life expectancy for a majority of these pipes is acceptable. |
True that. I’ve been running the stock charge pipe with a Dinantronics stage 1 and Dinan Intake for over 3 years and I drive like a maniac; I’ve given a couple of my adult passengers Shaken Baby Syndrome and my license was just restored for speeding, so I get it in I’m still on my original charge pipe, in my third vehicle with a N55 and not an issue. I know the stock pipe is plastic, to prevent heatsoaking but it works fine for me and lead me to believe that the whole charge pipe issue is just overblown or is only needed if your pushing an unreasonable amount of boost. The stock setup targets load with a PSI boost spike of no more than 14 pounds. Folks can’t convince me that stock pipe is not fine when I actually thoroughly tested it myself, for years on many related vehicles. I actually tried to get it to pop, so I could learn it’s limitations. All that happen is I ran out of gas. As far as an aftermarket pipe goes, logically, it can’t “void” your entire warranty but it makes them question the reason you changed it in the first place and can cause them to infer that the vehicle was modified for possible performance enhancement.
Aftermarket charge pipe void warranty?
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How much HP gain from straight pipe?
How much hp does a straight pipe add? My sister is advising me to put on a straight pipe instead of doing a muffler delete. How much hp does a straight pipe add? Modifying your car is a great way to make it more powerful! You’ll likely gain about ten hp with a straight pipe as compared with five hp or less by just taking off your muffler.
Eep in mind that putting on a straight pipe also involves adjusting your fuel injection and otherwise tuning up the car. Be sure you hire or consult a professional. Important note : In most jurisdictions, putting on a straight pipe means your car can no longer be driven on the street and only be used on a closed track.
This is because a straight pipe is not attached to a catalytic converter and therefore will not pass an emissions inspection, Car enthusiasts are always finding ways to enhance their vehicle’s performance. Another important part of your vehicle’s performance that’s often forgotten is,
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Do pipes make your car faster?
Benefits of Straight Pipe Systems Also, with less back pressure, the engine produces more horsepower and torque. Many drivers who race their cars see this as the primary reason to install straight pipes. Your vehicle will accelerate faster and reach higher speeds with a straight pipe system.
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Is charge pipe and downpipe the same?
Downpipe/chargepipe question
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| Originally Posted by tennis_pr0 Well I think I will go with the charge pipe for the piece of mind. I’m curious as to how many of those tuned on here have stock charge pipes vs after market one and if those who have the stock ones have had any problems. |
I’m on my stock one (for now) but have got the 30FF code in the past. Think it was vacuum hoses, never found the leak but don’t get the code since I changed the hoses. After going through that I decided to change charge pipe and DVs. BMS charge pipe is sitting in my garage waiting to be installed when the Forge DVs come in the mail.
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| Originally Posted by tennis_pr0 Well I think I will go with the charge pipe for the piece of mind. I’m curious as to how many of those tuned on here have stock charge pipes vs after market one and if those who have the stock ones have had any problems. |
We’ve followed the same modification list pretty much haha. Chargepipe is good for piece of mind, some say stock won’t break, many have so it’s a hit or miss really but, for me. I’d rather not get stranded and pay for a tow truck because my plastic chargepipe broke. _ E90 – 2007 BMW 335i Sedan 45K miles 7″ VRSF FMIC | BMS DCI | AR Catless DPs | KW v2 Coilovers | M3 Front Control Arms
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| Originally Posted by tennis_pr0 So with running high boost, the downpipes won’t increase the longevity of my turbos by letting them breathe better? My question is will downpipes increase the lifespan of the turbo when tuned in comparison with a tune and no downpipes? |
It’ll reduce EGT and backpressure, so the entire system will be less hot and more efficient. At the same time, you’re going to be running a more aggressive tune I would imagine once you’re FBO, so some of that is negated by the extra boost. But all in all, yes your turbos will breathe easier with downpipes. _ E88 N54 Alpinweiss/Coral Red/Motiv HTA 3586r Tial,82AR/Other stuff.652WHP F30 N55 XDrive EBII
Downpipe/chargepipe question
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How long can I drive with a burnt exhaust valve?
Can You Drive with a Burnt Valve? You should not continue to drive with a burnt valve —additional damage to the vehicle may result. For example, a portion of the valve could break off, damaging other parts of the engine. Or a misfire (caused by the burnt valve) could harm the catalytic converter.
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Can you drive your car after a misfire?
Can you drive a car with a misfire? I started my car this morning and it misfired. I haven’t had any other engine issues until now. Can you still drive a car that misfires? While you can still drive a car with a misfire, it’s not a good idea, A misfire could be a sign of several different engine issues.
Damaged or worn spark plugsWeakening ignition coilClogged or leaking fuel injectorWorn or damaged timing belt
Any time your engine misfires, what’s really happening is one or more of your engine cylinders aren’t combusting as they should. This results in a loss of power and performance for your engine. If you lose power while driving, it could result in an accident.
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What happens if your exhaust pipe falls off while driving?
Muffler Replacement – In case the whole muffler system comes off of your vehicle and falls off onto the road somewhere, you should pull over and try to push it to one side of the road if possible. If it falls off on a busy road or highway, it is better to call authorities to remove safety for you.
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Does a charge pipe increase power?
” src=”https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0082/6687/4995/articles/S55_Charge_Pipes_1_fe128986-ad09-4f1f-b1c6-eea69c31da10_1600x.jpg?v=1632516738″> 4 min read Nobody likes to spend their hard-earned money on things you don’t need for your build, and the S55 charge pipes often get questioned if they’re worth upgrading. This article is intended to shed some light on the topic of upgraded S55 Charge Pipes. While upgraded charge pipes on the S55 engine aren’t proven to increase power directly, they are a critical component in the charged air system, The S55 charge pipes are responsible for delivering the charged air from the turbos to the intercooler which sits on top of your S55 engine. ARE THE HOT-SIDE S55 CHARGE PIPES A FAILURE POINT? In short, yes. The Hot-Side OEM S55 charge pipes are known for cracking, especially near the plastic mounting brackets and at the connections to the turbos. Many times the charge pipes will only develop hairline cracks that are not visible to the naked eye,
If this happens, the charge pipe will pass a quick visual inspection, but under boost the crack will spread open further, allowing the charge air to escape before it gets to the intercooler. It is unlikely that the charge pipes will fail on a stock S55, but the odds increase substantially for S55’s even with only a Stage 1 tune.
For the S55 owners out there who are not aware that this is an issue, it can cause a lot of frustration, time and money troubleshooting the source of the leak. COMMON FAILURE POINTS OF THE OEM S55 CHARGE PIPES Our project F80 M3 developed one of these hairline cracks during development. The way we found out we had a hairline crack in our charge pipe was during a dyno session, We had our F80 strapped to the dyno, and as we were making pulls and checking the datalogs, we noticed that our WGDC was at 100%, even though we were only targeting 24psi. For reference, a healthy S55 should be around 90% when targeting this boost pressure. With WGDC at 100% while targeting only 24psi we knew there was a leak somewhere, and after some research indicating that this has been an issue for numerous other S55 owners, we had strong reason to believe the OEM hot-side charge pipes were the culprit. With the ARM Silicone S55 Charge Pipes finishing up production, we installed them onto our project F80 with high hopes that this would resolve our leak. Sure enough, the leak was fixed this was confirmed by the new datalogs we took which showed that the WGDC was back down to an appropriate 92% while targeting same 24psi. We could now resume tuning our F80 which then went on to make a respectable 558whp/564wtq. S55 CHARGE PIPE OPTIONS If you decide that you do want to upgrade your S55’s hot-side charge pipes to prevent boost leaks, you have two primary options, a hard pipe or silicone pipe, The hard pipe options are mainly going to be comprised of aluminum, although there are some titanium and steel options available as well. The ARM Aluminum S55 Charge Pipes allow for methanol injection pre-intercooler, The ARM S55 Aluminum Charge Pipes have a methanol port on each pipe, located discreetly towards the rear of the charge pipe allowing them to be concealed. The silicone charge pipes for the S55 are beneficial as they provide some extra insulation for the charge air. Also, if you decide to run port injection on your S55 the ARM Silicone S55 Charge Pipes will reach the intercooler even though it has been pushed slightly further away from the charge pipes. The ARM S55 J-Pipe incorporates 2x methanol bungs to allow for adequate meth flow, while many J-Pipes only have 1x meth bung which is often not adequate enough to flow the amount of meth the tune requires. This is a great component to upgrade while you have the intercooler removed as it is easy to access. In conclusion, if your S55 is tuned or if you plan on tuning it, a Hot-Side charge pipe upgrade should be on your to-do list. While the J-Pipe is often not going to be an issue as far as failure goes, due to it’s low cost and ease of installation you may want to consider it for peace of mind, or if you plan on injecting meth post-intercooler.
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Do you lose power if you straight pipe your car?
Racing Style Exhausts Are For Race Cars, Not Street Cars – Most people tend to think of an exhaust system as a drain pipe – the bigger the pipe, the more effective the drain. This is incorrect for two reasons: 1. Exhaust is a heated gas. As it travels thru the exhaust manifold, catalytic converter, and muffler, the gas cools.
As the gas cools, it becomes more dense. As it becomes more dense, the velocity changes. Therefore, you don’t want the exhaust gases to cool off too quickly OR stay hot for too long.2. Exhaust gas volume changes with RPM. At redline, your engine is producing a lot of hot exhaust gas. At idle, it’s producing very little.
As a result, an exhaust system that works well at 5,000RPM is going to be oversized for an engine at idle. Likewise, an exhaust system tuned for 2,000RPM is going to be at least somewhat restrictive at higher RPMs. When a race team gets their hands on a stock vehicle, the first thing they’ll do is replace the factory exhaust with a bigger after-market system that doesn’t have a muffler. They do this because race cars spend most of their time driving around at high RPMs.
A large, unrestricted exhaust is a great idea when you’re trying to maximize top end performance. You want an exhaust system that facilitates scavenging when the engine is going as fast as it can. But if you’re driving a vehicle on the street, your average RPM is going to range between 1,500 and 4,500 RPM.
Most of the time, your engine is going to be at about 2,000RPM. As a result, your vehicle’s stock exhaust system is sized (and tuned) to facilitate scavenging between 1,500 and 4,500 RPM. a race car style exhaust system is a bad upgrade for a street vehicle.
- Therefore, a race car style exhaust system is a bad upgrade for a street vehicle.
- Street cars need good performance at stop lights and on highway on-ramps.
- A straight pipe, for example, can cause exhaust gas velocity to increase.
- This will likely reduce engine performance below 2,000 or 2,500 RPM, making your vehicle a little slower to launch from a stoplight.
Your engine may show more horsepower on a dyno – and might even finish the quarter mile a little faster – but it won’t be faster on the street.
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Will a charge pipe pass smog?
Need help Passing smog for the first time – CARB Intake Question
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| New Member Drives: 2012 f30 335i Join Date: May 2017 Location: Denver | Need help Passing smog for the first time – CARB Intake Question Hey Everyone, Thanks in advance for any help! I moved to California with a intake, chip, and charge pipe. I am removing the chip but need to replace the intake. I’m hoping the charge pipe will go unnoticed. I am having a lot of trouble finding the OEM one so I am currently looking at CARB compliant intakes. I found this one: According to this website it looks like it is CARB Compliant? I have a 2012 335i F30 I was going to go to a SMOG station to confirm before buying but they are currently closed. Is there any downside to just purchasing? How does it work? Do I need to bring in the paperwork? Or does it just come with a CARB Sticker? None of the pictures I’ve seen show the sticker, and what if it doesn’t come with one? My other concern is that the intake will draw more attention to the inspection and I am hoping my charge pipe goes unnoticed. Any thoughts or insights are appreciated! Thanks! |
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| Originally Posted by tgengler That is super helpful! Thanks guys! Do you think is there anymore verification I can do to ensure its CARB legal? The last thing I want to do is buy another intake that does’t get past smog. It also pretty clearly looks like it is though? I completely agree with the charge pipe. Clearly it has zero impact on emissions especially with no blow off valve changes. The idea of replacing my metal one with a cheap, yet overpriced, OEM plastic one kills me and I’ll avoid that at all costs. |
Not sure, other then emailing the company to ensure that policy is up to date. I’d really avoid switching out the CP, I really don’t think the smog place will even notice. It’s a PITA and won’t help you pass.
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Need help Passing smog for the first time – CARB Intake Question
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Does a charge pipe increase power?
” src=”https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0082/6687/4995/articles/S55_Charge_Pipes_1_fe128986-ad09-4f1f-b1c6-eea69c31da10_1600x.jpg?v=1632516738″> 4 min read Nobody likes to spend their hard-earned money on things you don’t need for your build, and the S55 charge pipes often get questioned if they’re worth upgrading. This article is intended to shed some light on the topic of upgraded S55 Charge Pipes. While upgraded charge pipes on the S55 engine aren’t proven to increase power directly, they are a critical component in the charged air system, The S55 charge pipes are responsible for delivering the charged air from the turbos to the intercooler which sits on top of your S55 engine. ARE THE HOT-SIDE S55 CHARGE PIPES A FAILURE POINT? In short, yes. The Hot-Side OEM S55 charge pipes are known for cracking, especially near the plastic mounting brackets and at the connections to the turbos. Many times the charge pipes will only develop hairline cracks that are not visible to the naked eye,
- If this happens, the charge pipe will pass a quick visual inspection, but under boost the crack will spread open further, allowing the charge air to escape before it gets to the intercooler.
- It is unlikely that the charge pipes will fail on a stock S55, but the odds increase substantially for S55’s even with only a Stage 1 tune.
For the S55 owners out there who are not aware that this is an issue, it can cause a lot of frustration, time and money troubleshooting the source of the leak. COMMON FAILURE POINTS OF THE OEM S55 CHARGE PIPES Our project F80 M3 developed one of these hairline cracks during development. The way we found out we had a hairline crack in our charge pipe was during a dyno session, We had our F80 strapped to the dyno, and as we were making pulls and checking the datalogs, we noticed that our WGDC was at 100%, even though we were only targeting 24psi. For reference, a healthy S55 should be around 90% when targeting this boost pressure. With WGDC at 100% while targeting only 24psi we knew there was a leak somewhere, and after some research indicating that this has been an issue for numerous other S55 owners, we had strong reason to believe the OEM hot-side charge pipes were the culprit. With the ARM Silicone S55 Charge Pipes finishing up production, we installed them onto our project F80 with high hopes that this would resolve our leak. Sure enough, the leak was fixed this was confirmed by the new datalogs we took which showed that the WGDC was back down to an appropriate 92% while targeting same 24psi. We could now resume tuning our F80 which then went on to make a respectable 558whp/564wtq. S55 CHARGE PIPE OPTIONS If you decide that you do want to upgrade your S55’s hot-side charge pipes to prevent boost leaks, you have two primary options, a hard pipe or silicone pipe, The hard pipe options are mainly going to be comprised of aluminum, although there are some titanium and steel options available as well. The ARM Aluminum S55 Charge Pipes allow for methanol injection pre-intercooler, The ARM S55 Aluminum Charge Pipes have a methanol port on each pipe, located discreetly towards the rear of the charge pipe allowing them to be concealed. The silicone charge pipes for the S55 are beneficial as they provide some extra insulation for the charge air. Also, if you decide to run port injection on your S55 the ARM Silicone S55 Charge Pipes will reach the intercooler even though it has been pushed slightly further away from the charge pipes. The ARM S55 J-Pipe incorporates 2x methanol bungs to allow for adequate meth flow, while many J-Pipes only have 1x meth bung which is often not adequate enough to flow the amount of meth the tune requires. This is a great component to upgrade while you have the intercooler removed as it is easy to access. In conclusion, if your S55 is tuned or if you plan on tuning it, a Hot-Side charge pipe upgrade should be on your to-do list. While the J-Pipe is often not going to be an issue as far as failure goes, due to it’s low cost and ease of installation you may want to consider it for peace of mind, or if you plan on injecting meth post-intercooler.
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Does a charge pipe increase sound?
Charge Pipe Induction Sound
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| Originally Posted by spdrcrgtr How do you check for boost leak other than a “smoke check” where they run some smoke thru the intake to see if it comes thru some crack/space |
You need to pressurize your intake post-Turbo(s) to do a proper boost leak test. A smoke test only catches things that are leaking with no pressure – and often the leak is during boost. I typically fabricate a hose and connect to the turbo inlets directly (you don’t want to pressurize the pre-turbo pipes themselves as those run under negative pressure, as they are connected to the turbo inlet not outlet). You need to make sure your throttle is closed (or disconnect at throttle and block the pipe) then pressurize with a compressor. I typically take it beyond max target boost to be sure, and you just listen for leaks and fix them. If you just leave the throttle pipe on and rely on the closed throttle butterfly you may get some leaks there, though should be minimal on a fly by wire car. Thanks! S.
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Charge Pipe Induction Sound
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What does a charge pipe and boost pipe do?
The FTP Motorsport BMW F-Series N55 Charge & Boost Pipe Combination Set for M135i, M235i, 335i and 435i includes both the charge pipe and ‘hot side’ boost pipe which increases flow and improves the reliability of your twin power turbo BMW.
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What does a upgrade charge pipe do?
Performance Benefits of an Upgraded Chargepipe – Unfortunately, there are really no performance benefits to upgrading your B58 chargepipe. Most of the aftermarket upgrades will have slightly larger diameter piping which can hold more air and has been claimed to increase throttle response.
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